By Peter van Sleen (Petervansleen) (217.120.150.133) on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 12:08 pm:| By Peter van Sleen (Petervansleen) (217.120.150.133) on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 12:08 pm: |
The book Band of Brothers written by Stephen Ambrose is translated into Dutch.
I got some information from this site http://www.proxis.com and I paste it here.
Type : Paperback
Publication date : 01/09/2002
Pages : 320
ISBN : 9054664819
Proxis Price: 19.50 EUR
greetings,
Peter
http://members.home.nl/bandofbrothers
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (62.251.0.23) on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 03:23 pm: |
yep i also read this on www.go2war2.nl
great site, btw, and they're saying that with the translation of the book, the series will also be aired on Belgium tv (which is good news for us dutch because we can finally see it again)...!
irene
| By Ilja Buschman (Bobandluzfan) (212.129.207.209) on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 07:04 am: |
Thats very cool!! When will it be on belgium tv ??
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (62.251.0.23) on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:35 pm: |
well they're saying 'september' but i don't know what date/hour/channel exactly! 
but it must be vrt (belgium 1) or canvas (belgium 2). the first one is more likely.
i read the tvmag every week as soon as it lands on our doorstep, but still haven't found something there.
but then again; i didn't know that bob was being broadcast by sbs6 untill the day before either! i guess they will let us know soon......
i have high hopes!
irene
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (131.174.244.2) on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 04:21 am: |
well i don't have those high hopes anymore.....
YUK i feel like crying. i send this email to ask about the details of the airing of BoB in belgium, and this guy told my it was on this commercial channel named VTM. WHICH WE DON'T RECEIVE IN HOLLAND.
drip, drip, drip...
(sound of my tears falling on the keyboard)
irene
ps
well i guess we now have to wait untill we can buy the series in Nov.
| By Chris Schwartz (Sirchay) (213.46.143.60) on Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:11 am: |
hey sorry for adding this in dutch
Band of Brothers vanaf 9 oktober herhaald op V8
De gehele serie zal herhaald gaan worden op de Nederlandse TV. De eerste aflevering zal op Wo 9 oktober zijn, zo hebben wij vernomen van SBS6.
so the dutch can stop crying
btw. this info is from
http://www.go2war2.nl/band-of-brothers/
-Chris
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (131.174.244.2) on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 05:44 am: |
hi chris!
i was the one giving the people from go2war2 the terrific news! sorry about not putting the news up here at the right place, but i did post it somewhere at tircuit.com (can't remember where exactly)...
again sorry for the following;
hahahaaaaaaaaa ze zeggen dat ze het van sbs6 gehoord hebben NOT TRUE ik heb t ze verteld met een mail van iemand van sbs6 erbij die ik had ontvangen (na talloze smeek-mails...).......
can't wait for the re-runs to start!!!!!!
only 23 more days.....
irene
| By Peter van Sleen (Petervansleen) (217.120.150.133) on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 10:33 am: |
Irene do you know on what time the re-runs will be broadcast???
Peter
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (131.174.221.26) on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 08:39 am: |
nope not yet will put it up here when i do. i guess somewhere late in the eve...(10 pm?)
irene
| By Chris Schwartz (Sirchay) (213.46.143.60) on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:48 am: |
oh,
nice guy's from go2war2,
but i have all the episodes on VCD so I have watched the several times
but does anyone know if the dutch version of BoB already is for sale in holland? I have de English version but i like to have the dutch one to
(my english is bad i know )
grtzzz
chris / sirchay
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (131.174.244.2) on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 12:17 pm: |
the book you mean? it's scheduled to come out sep 2002.....so any day now! i guess you should go to your local bookstore and ask...there will be big promotion i think...
your english is not that bad, i'm able to understand it and that's the main thing, right???!
irene
ps i got the english version of the book too...if the dutch version is only a mere translation and there are no extra photos in it or anything, i don't think i'm going to buy it. i like reading in english, so...
| By Peter van Sleen (Petervansleen) (217.120.150.133) on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 02:05 pm: |
Well I ordered the book allready and they said it will be there tomorrow so I post it tomorrow how the book is if it's there then.
greetz,
Peter
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (131.174.244.2) on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 02:09 pm: |
thanks peter that's great. i look forward to your post, then.
i assume you have the english version with the 'dark' cover too??? (with the actors on it, not a very clear pic)
irene
| By Peter van Sleen (Petervansleen) (217.120.150.133) on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 02:13 pm: |
No I haven't got the english version so I'm just 15 and I think that I don't understand the english. But I will tell you what kind of pictures are in it. Now I'm hard working on a new lay-out of my site and then there also be a messageboard.
greetz,
Peter
| By Chris Schwartz (Sirchay) (213.46.143.60) on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 03:44 pm: |
nice,
I also have the one with the actors on it,
only the damn pics in the middle get lose and fall out
but if you would add your inpression about the book please!
gtzz
Chris
| By Marc Brand (Marcfire) (194.138.137.11) on Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:43 am: |
Hi Peter,
Tnx for your info about the Proxis site and the Dutch version of the BoB book. I ordered the book on Sep the 10th and i received it friday the 20th. Can't wait reading it and i wonder if the book differs a lot from the series.
Does anyone know where i can get other Dutch translations for Stephen Ambrose's books?
| By Peter van Sleen (Petervansleen) (217.120.150.133) on Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:48 am: |
Well, I ordered the book at the Bruna, but I haven't got it yet, so i've to wait some more longer. But if I've the book I'll post it here. For all dutch visitors of this forum, my website is ready, and the messageboard also. The link is http://members.home.nl/bandofbrothers
greetz,
Peter
| By cias (Cias) (208.148.113.70) on Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:08 pm: |
Marc,
Can you not look in your book, see who the publishing firm or translator(if different)is, then check for a website or just write them. If the translator is in the Netherlands and nearby, you might call them.
Is it poddible a library might have some or know of any?
Gary
| By cias (Cias) (208.148.113.70) on Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:41 pm: |
Marc,
I' ve just gone to the Simon and Schuster site and asked them for information on Dutch translations of the Ambrose books.
Gary
| By Marc Brand (Marcfire) (194.138.137.11) on Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:10 am: |
Tnx for your help Gary, i'll do some research too and let you know if i find something out. Maybe others are interested too.
If you hear anything form Simon and Schuster please let me know.
Marc
| By Peter van Sleen (Petervansleen) (217.120.150.133) on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 01:41 pm: |
Got the book today. The cover of the book is some different between the english en dutch version. The dutch version has a dark red front, and a different picture on the front. In the book is also some pictures included. I thought that it was a page of 7, with some pictures from Winters under a sort of bridge and some other pictures. I'll tell you more tomorrow.
greetz,
Peter
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (62.251.0.24) on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 03:42 pm: |
sounds like the pics are the same ones. winters in schoonderlogt you mean? and guth is on many pics too (one in a foxhole i believe and one with a nazi flag)? also one of the liberation of eindhoven? i guess the pics are the same, then...
irene
| By Peter van Sleen (Petervansleen) (217.120.150.133) on Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 08:18 am: |
Yeah, these pictures are in the book. So i think it are the same ones.
| By Peter van Sleen (Petervansleen) (217.120.150.133) on Friday, October 04, 2002 - 02:35 pm: |
Hello,
My messageboard is now ready, so if you don't get your answers on this messageboard you can always ask it on my messageboard, maybe my visitors knew the answer.
The URL is http://www.plusforum.nl/basic/forum/en/index.php?id=bandofbrothers
Peter
| By Marc Brand (Marcfire) (194.138.137.11) on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 08:46 am: |
Hey guys,
I'm really into the book and so far i am impressed of the stories told. I noticed that there are a lot of other fights and battles that are not mentioned in the series and every time i am impressed by the courage of the Easy men.
I read that almost all of the men really hated the war and that they were more scared the longer they fought. It really shows the human side of the men. I am 27 and am amazed by the age of all the guys who fought in WWII, as teens they were trained as lean mean fighting machines to go into battle and do as ordered.
What also amazed me in the series and in the book was the number of 'souvenirs' the men took. In almost every episode you can see guys taking 'souvenirs' from dead enemy's or from local civilians. When the men stayed in the area around the dikes in Holland Webster mentioned in the book something like: People often think only Germans and Russians plundered, but almost every American i know did it too.
Was there no control by the Leaders of the Company/ Bataljon/ Regiment over what the men took and send home by mail?
I can understand that those things happen during a war, but its a pitty that innnocent civillians are the victim of it. They had already suffered for many years in the war and now not only their hard to get food was stolen, but also their valuables. Not just by the enemy but also by there friends.
I have a lot of WWII books and videos but in none of them there is spoken of this collecting, is this something that the Army is not to proud off?
Hope someone knows more about this.
Once again, i'm not judging the men for it, i'm just interested how this could happen on such a large scale.
Marc
| By cias (Cias) (208.134.215.11) on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 10:09 am: |
Marc;
You might want to go to David Kenyon Webster.com and order the revised version of his book,"Parachute Infantry". Ambrose takes from it in BoB.
The military did not always supply the fighting men as they should have, hence the foraging for food.
The officers were often as guilty as the men in looting both in friendly and enemy countries. The attitude in enemy countries was even more indulgent to the looting. As Bob shows, in some instances the idea was that if you didn' t take it someone else would. Although Webster did some looting, he did not like the way we treated the enemy civilians. We were supposed to be better than the Germans but at times descended to their level. The longer the men were on the front lines under bad conditions the more likely they were to loot. As you mentioned, many of them were youngsters.
Also, when it came to the Germans, after seeing the camps, many of the soldiers did not even consider the Germans human. This probably got emphasized down to the youngsters because of the Hitler Youth who fought them. The Germans were "bad".
Gary
| By Ilja Buschman (Bobandluzfan) (80.60.206.185) on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 12:36 pm: |
so wednesday is the big day
I found a strange thing in my tv magazine. It says that BoB starts at 22:00 and is ending at 23:35. How could that be? every episode is averaged 1 hour. so maybe they are also broadcasting the Making of?
Anybody know more about it?!
| By Peter van Sleen (Petervansleen) (217.120.150.133) on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 01:47 pm: |
Well as far as I know they are broadcasting the special two hour premiere with episode 1 and episode 2, but you can ask V8 by mailing them.
greetz,
Peter
| By Marc Brand (Marcfire) (194.138.137.11) on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 01:57 am: |
Tnx Gary,
for your link to Websters page. It's an interesting site with some nice links to other sites too. I'll order the book this week i think.
About the looting, do you know if the guy who took Hitlers foto album ever turned it in after the war?
I totally understand the things you're saying about the reason of the looting, but i think Bob shows a lot of looting especially when Easy is in Germany. Speirs is sending away whole packages and Welsh taking the silverware for example, i wished that they showed less about it. Maybe it is just the way things went back then. But on the otherhand, the series and the book differ a lot sometimes.
About Bastogne, does anyone know if the foxholes that Easy dug are still intact? I want to travel to Bastogne/FoyNouville next year and really want to go to Bois Jacques to see where Easy was when they fought there.
Marc
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (131.174.244.2) on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 04:46 am: |
don't know about that either, Peter and Ilja. i was under the impression that this time, they would broadcast 1 epi a week including the first one. also our tv mag is saying 'epi 1 currahee tonight'....nothing about epi 2. i can't remember how long exactly epi 1 was...
well never mind i've got my VHS tapes ready anyhow....
CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!
irene
| By Marc Brand (Marcfire) (194.138.137.11) on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 05:25 am: |
As i recall the first two episodes were longer then the rest. So i don't think that they will be broadcasting the first two series tomorrow.
Keep those videos ready.
Marc
| By cias (Cias) (208.134.215.11) on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 07:29 am: |
Marc;
Good morning. First, Episodes 1 and 2 were shown the same evening. Each was the same length as the rest. Their being shown together made it seem they were longer.
Second, both the book and the mini-series mention that Alton More kept the photo albums. I noticed that in the paper-back the index did not always indicate pages which showed details of people and events. I found the part about More and the photo albums on page 268 which was not in the index by his name. Also the book indicates that the Eagle' s Nest was filled with rubble and had been looted. The series does not show that and other sources, including Eisenhower' s Naval Aide, tend to agree with the series. The book, "My Three Years With Eisenhower" by Captain Harry C. Butcher,USNR, states that when Church visited the Eagle' s Nest in June, that the 101st was on guard and irritated that they didn' t get to loot the place because the authorities were irritated because so many other places had been looted. When the RAF bombed Berchtesgaden they did not bomb the Eagle' s Nest.
A good source for old and used books is ABEBooks. com. Some of their books, while old, were never sold and are in mint shape.
I hope this helps.
Gary
| By Ilja Buschman (Bobandluzfan) (80.60.206.185) on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 04:39 pm: |
well, it has just ended and they only showed Ep. 1
BUT, it was an extended version of the episode. A lot of things were not shown on the episode i downloaded and they showed earlier this year
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (131.174.244.2) on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:28 am: |
yeah ilja i already thought so! i really don't remember much of the first time i saw it back in Jan. but i know that for instance in britain the scene where you see the Statue of Liberty was deleted. great to know they're airing the best version this time...! can't wait untill next week!
irene
| By Marc Brand (Marcfire) (194.138.137.11) on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 04:04 am: |
Hey, an extended version sounds good. I have to 'old' ones on tape, but taped the new one last night too. I'll check tonight to see what is new.
Marc
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (131.174.244.2) on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:06 am: |
it IS good!
irene
| By cias (Cias) (208.148.113.122) on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 08:27 am: |
Marc
The various postings are making me wonder whether the episodes were edited for particular markets, using outtakes to fill in certain things that were deleted.
I find myself losing track of some things. I know this is the Dutch site but are you from the Netherlands or where?
I watched "The Breaking Point" Tuesday night. It felt more like visiting with family and friends than watching a show. I also watched the "Forsyte Saga". It felt more like "Dick Winters Goes Back in Time."
Take care.
Gary
| By Marc Brand (Marcfire) (194.138.137.11) on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:21 am: |
Hi Gary,
Yep, I'm a real Dutchie from Boskoop.
I watched the first episode and after checking the first series from earlier this year on video, i noticed that it was exactly as long.
It really is like beeing among 'friends' rather than watching a show, i have that feeling too. Especially after reading the book, you know so much more about these guys.
Marc
| By cias (Cias) (208.148.113.23) on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:19 am: |
Marc;
I just re-read my October 8 post. I wrote that "Church" visited the Eagle' s Nest. That should have been "Butcher". His book is another one you might want to get. Eisenhower knew Butcher and requested him as an aide. He also requested that Butcher keep a diary from which came this book.
When you read "Webster", you' ll learn a lot more about BoB.
Gary
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.127.136) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 02:08 pm: |
I bought the book yesterday It was really hard to find it, I looked out many stores and almost lost my hope but then, there it was! I was so happy It's a little hard to me to understand it sometimes, because i'm not very good in english but luckily i have a dictionary.
It's so very intresting to read what happened in first three episodes because i haven't seen them yet
Iines
| By Marigold Papa (Marigold) (203.170.2.88) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 10:46 pm: |
OOooh, that's good news Iines, have fun!!!
gold
| By Marc Brand (Marcfire) (194.138.137.11) on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 08:37 am: |
Iines,
Why didn't you buy the Dutch version of the book, assuming that you are Dutch?
Marc
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.127.52) on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 02:45 pm: |
Marc,
Sorry, i just noticed i put that post wrong place. I'm a finnish
Gold,
Yes, i'm sure i have!!
Iines
| By irene vrinte (Gijoe) (62.251.0.22) on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 03:53 pm: |
i too thought you were dutch, Iines!
irene
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