By hazel hernandez (Pacificpearl) (192.169.39.71) on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 06:52 am:

Insanely mad as he is, but do you really know why and when it all started? Much of the data below came from an encyclopedia which I practically memorized by heart (because I was really looking for answers as to why it all came to be), but I'll give my thoughts nonetheless.

At first, Hitler dreamed of becoming an artist. After his father's death he left home to seek fortune in Vienna. He went there to study art and architecture but twice failed to get admitted to the Academy of Fine Arts. These failures made him wander aimlessly through the city. He fell into total poverty and tried to support himself by selling postcards and watercolors. (In short, he became a bum.) He remained a loner for quite sometime. There has been speculations that he joined an art contest and lost to a Rich Jew. This loss destroyed what little order he had in life until he encountered the writings of a racist author which impressed him.

At some time in 1913, he moved to Munich to find a better life in the Germany that he admired so much, finding out later on that life was harder there than in Austria, which partly explains his relief at the outbreak of World War 1. Hitler served throughout the war as a volunteer in a Bavarian infantry regiment. He was never promoted to a leadership position, but he was awarded high decorations for bravery in action. The war had a profound influence in him. It provided him, finally, with a purpose that filled the void in his life. Hitler the artist was dead, the politician was soon to emerge.

In his writing, 'Mein Kampf', he argued that German people, supposedly racially superior, were threatened by liberalism, Marxism, humanism and Bolshevism, which where directed form behind the scenes by the Jews...-the rest was history.

"Hitler's Last days"
With the Allies crossing the Rhine River and the Russians closing in on Berlin, he at last acknowledged defeat and decided to commit suicide; but he wanted Germany to follow suit. Germany, he argued had proved itself unworthy of his genius and had failed to prevail in the struggle for life.

As his personality disintegrated, so did the loyalty of his lieutenants. One officer retreated in Bavaria, the other tried to negotiate with the Allies. Another lieutenant refused to carry out Hitler’s order to institute a “scorched earth” policy in Germany. (Does this mean burning the entire of Germany? A little help here if there are historians on board…) With the Russians rapidly approaching his bunker in Berlin, Hitler (with pistol) and Eva (with poison) whom he now married, committed suicide on April 30, 1945.

hmmm... this gives me reason to think that since the world did not accept him as an artist, perhaps he chose to excel on a different field. Or he felt that somehow, if only the world gave him a chance to show his artistic side, he wouldn’t be pissed off with the Jews-The Jews with whom he lost over an art contest. This failure gave him reason to be bitter and resentful and tried to rid the world of "Jews" so that Germans (like him) will finally be the superior race, thus giving the final and absolute solution to the Jewish question.

So, what really happened to him? To make the story short, he is what we call in our generation-a SORE LOSER…

Comments anyone? =)

By col (Grateful) (194.74.230.27) on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 07:28 am:

Hitler spent most of his time as a bicycle messenger during world war 1 which contridicts what he states in his book Mein Kampf........also a platoon in the german army used to call him and his friend the fairy boys as they would sleep in the barn together.....who knows what this man was? Instill confidence in your kids because serial killers and men (well sort of..) like this all seem to be lacking this self confidence and sense of being and belonging and everybody else ends up paying the price for their inadequacys...

By Jocelyn (Jocey) (143.235.51.67) on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 02:27 pm:

Sor elosre i don't know. i mean obviously he had issues but he had a seriously screwed up life. I you think about it if hitler had gotten into art school do you htink ww2 could've been avoided? atleast at that time. Had he been recognized as a artist even if he sucked i think the lives of millins of peopel never would've been lost. think about it, Had Hitler never risen to power as a social leader What would the world be like today? No Neo-nazi's, no genocidal actions (maybe) i mean we would be a world with less blood shed and with the knowledge of a man who believed he wsa an artist, even if he only sold one painitng a year he, we may have averted a terrible era when millions lost thier lives.
Tha's just my two cents.

Currahee
Jocey

By steve lundy (Breechblock) (216.209.164.120) on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 03:22 pm:

Hi everyone,
Just a few corrections. Hitlers' real name was Schicklegruber. His mother married a man named Hitler and he was adopted. Old man Hitler never got along with young Adolf and they had very many heated arguments. Also it was his mother, Clara, that died of a brain tumor when he was young and the doctor who treated her was Jewish. Now somewhere there is speculation that, that is when Adolf started to dislike Jews in general, because he blamed the doctor for his mothers death, and he was very fond of his mother.
He really started to go nuts, well who's to say he wasn't nuts already, after the bomb plot as his doctor was feeding him arsnict. Hope the spelling is right.
Hope that helps.
Steve L.

By Jonathan Jones (Jonjones) (213.122.236.89) on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 03:33 pm:

Yup, my two cents are the mad quack who "treated" him, Morell and Stalingrad.

Regards, Jonathan.

By joao (200.163.13.106) on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 05:21 pm:

I am impressed that some of you guys find acceptable that because hitler didnt get recognized has an artist he started to hate jews and other races.
And even if ww2 had been avoided some other terrible war would came instead of it

By col (Grateful) (213.107.101.211) on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 06:35 pm:

Wouldn't matter....the jewish race was hated all over europe even france - highlighted by the dreyfuss case in early part of the century, the blackshirts (fascists) were running rampant in england also, hitler did not invent fascisim in europe, he was drawn to it..........sad little person drawn to the brotherhood of hatred, he found a family in the midst of that, same way a lot of screwed up kids find their way into street gangs, no family life, no nothing, they find kindred in others like-wise....... the strangulation of germany by economic sanctions of france, england etc made hitler what he became, europe has to take some responsibility for raping the country after WW 1......the unemployment was rife, inflation rose daily,people were starving, Hitler promised full employment and thru the military build up he did what he promised, to those starving, jobless Germans he must have been a God, I'm sure few knew what was in store after 1939..........Madman, of course, but he had some help. Countless millions of lifes lost and destroyed because of starvation, desperation and ignorance.

By col (Grateful) (213.107.101.211) on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 06:37 pm:

I'm not condoning Hitler by the way, I just try to view it from the wider perpective, i.e. the political situation of Europe at the time.....

By Sergeant First Class Danny Autrey (Retiredarmy) (198.36.178.141) on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 05:30 pm:

Re: . . . “scorched earth” policy in Germany. (Does this mean burning the entire of Germany?) . . .

What this tends to mean is that everything is destroyed. Every house burned, every animal killed, every car burned, every cart burned, every person killed, total destruction. I.E. Take no prisoners, leave no one alive. Period.

He also wanted Paris burned when it fell. The German officer did not carry out that order.

There is a pretty good book out on Hitler, I think by John Toland. Simply entitled: Hitler. It is in paper back and about four or five inches thick. It is a long, hard read, but I read it several years ago, still have it. It covers Hitler's life from the first information obtained to his death. The first post pretty much covers some of his problems, but there were others. You can read this book and find out more details as to why this guy was the way he was. He pretty much blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews.

By steve lundy (Breechblock) (216.209.141.69) on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 08:56 pm:

Hi everyone,
It was in his final days in the Fuhrer bunker in berlin that scatter brains had ordered all of his Gauleiters to carry out his scorched earth policy.
If it had not been for Albert Speer, Hitlers armamont minister and personal architect, the policies most likely would have been carried out. In fact, Speer was going to put poison gas into the bunkers ventilation shaft, but when he went to carry out his plan, someone had raised the vents fairly high off of the ground.
There is another great book which is written by Speer called, Inside the Third Reich. There are alot of great photographs and some amazing insight into the political swamp of the Third Reich.
I found a hard back copy in an old book store, but the new version is in paperback.
Hope everyone is well,
Steve L.
P.S. Oh, by the way, the little corporal was Austrian, not German.

By Janine (Janine) (139.134.64.157) on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 09:03 pm:

Hey everyone,

Just another point that may have contributed to Hitler's insanity is the fact that he had so much power over so many people. Anyone with as much power has he had is bound to become out of touch with reality...just look at other dictators in the same position!

By Jonathan Jones (Jonjones) (213.122.98.180) on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 05:16 am:

The name "Caligula" comes to mind.

Regards, Jonathan.

By hazel hernandez (Pacificpearl) (192.169.39.72) on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 10:57 am:

as they say "absolute power corrupts absolutely..."

By Jamie Wicks (Jwicks) (24.220.222.254) on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 05:21 pm:

These cultist leaderships are so predictable. We learned a great deal from Hitler and WWII about the capabilities of one person who has a military budget and willing followers. Just wait, we have not seen the end of the destruction that power hungry leaders will inflict on the world. Look at Iraq and North Korea. It seems some coutries have chosen to forget the capablities of a leader who has "the tools". I'm glad that I am an American today.

By Aya (Aya) (165.21.83.197) on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 09:56 am:

Ouch.

Aya

By joao (200.193.226.2) on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 05:38 pm:

yeah jamie wicks imagine what can one person who has military budget and willing followers can do......

By Jonathan Jones (Jonjones) (81.131.40.198) on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 05:57 pm:

Yeah, I kind of chose not to respond to the implications of that posting myself for fear of ending up in hot water. As if I ever do....

Jonathan

By Jamie Wicks (Jwicks) (24.220.222.254) on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 08:24 pm:

Sorry if I offended anyone. Wasn't my intention.

By WildCat (212.239.202.223) on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 09:45 am:

Yep Jamie, isn't Bush the same guy as Hitler was ? He uses his power too for "liberty and peace", my foot he just wants the oil, he builts little Bin Laden everyday by his actions... I do not mean he is an extremist but don't be blind...
I do not want to blame any Americans, because I've got many friends from over there... But don't say "you are proud to be a good American", because the Iraqui and North-Korea leaders are just "crazy people, insane and the axis of evil"... Remember, Bush senior helped Saddam Hussein to gain power (and the "baas" too)... If the US don't stop acting like that, one day it's gonna be a real war, even on your own soil. Bush uses his military power and the people of America as well as Hitler did, but not exactly in the same way.

I hate Hitler, but I'm starting to hate Bush too...
Excuse my english, I'm Belgian and speak french.

Tom

By Jwicks (Jwicks) (24.220.222.254) on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 05:59 pm:

Yeah, I would rather not compare my president to Hitler and I think if you would ask the Jewish people, disabled people, and gays, you would get the same response. The US has helped a lot of people out of a lot of situations including Iraq. name one country who can lay claim to saving the world not once but two times. And we did not do it alone, a lot of European Blood was shed this past century along side our troops. Look at our long history, who we have defeated to get where we are at today from the rule of kings. Anyone who compares Bush to Hitler needs some serious History lessons. Its like comparing a Mercedes Benz to a Volkswagen Beetle. Yeah, they both have four wheels. I refuse to post any more on this topic.

By Mark (200.163.13.84) on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 07:15 pm:

Stop saying that people who doenst have the same opinion that you do should study history. Why dont you study history and open your eyes to the world? Anti-american feeling is growing so fast in the entire world and you think everybody loves you. Hitlers national interest started ww2 and Bush"s national interests will start this stupid war for oil. Why dont you study what you country and the CIA did here in latin america ,in the cold war? Do you really think United states is the defender of liberty in the world? How come all the dictator ships in latin america were sponsored by the United States with the excuse of fightin the great enemy comunism? How many people died in brasil, chile(do you know what your country did with Salvador Alliende an elected president,in a free country?) t after US sponsored , argentina and so many other countries in the world so american national imperialist interests could be defended? Please do not compare the situation that we have here with the situation that we had back then in the 1930's, everybody knew that germany was rearming itself , and germany was breaking all the treatis post ww1. Now, can USA show the world proves against IRAQ? no. How about the fabrication of proves? Its ridiculous, the only reason for this war is oil and you know it. I just want to know when an Iraquian father sees his 4 children, wife and family killed by an American attack, what he will do when he sees an American soldier in front of him?
Why is the United States askin for un to legitimate their attack if you are preparing to war for about 3 months allready? Do you think the world is stupid? Whats the UN for? Legitimate USA actions , and if the UN doesnt agree its a stupid organization with no power?
Havent you learned nothing in vietnam?

I couldnt help it if you want to kick me out of this forum its okay. I allready said that there are some things i love about United States people that i love in United States but there is another side.

By Jonathan Jones (Jonjones) (81.131.197.81) on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 08:31 pm:

The study of history tends to show that fuses get awful short and emotions get awful high at times when there's this amount of tension in the world.

I could comment on the above posts. Some points I would agree with, others I would not, and that's with each one. I could then forward my own opinion on post-war history, the Cold War, US foriegn policy and a whole host of tinpot loons who have (and continue) to infest this world. But the real world is not black or white, good or evil, even if the likes of politicians (or historians, for that matter) would like to paint it so, for their (or their nation's) own gains.

"Let he who is without sin..." could illustrate the point that no-one could claim to be guilt-free.

This was a "level the playing field" production.

Jonathan.

By Jwicks (Jwicks) (24.220.222.254) on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 11:21 pm:

Well put Johnathon, I don't agree with every policy that the united states has put forth in the past or the present for that matter. Refering back to Band of Brothers, in the documentry one of the Bros talked about rounding the Germans up at the end of the war and looking into the eyes of the enemy who had been trying to kill them and vice versa. We fight for the cause and we fight to survive. One of the Bros said that looking at the German soldiers, he thought that perhaps under different circumstances they could be good friends and have similar intrests and concerns. Yes, the United States has made mistakes, some we have learned from and some we may have not. Every country has made mistakes with policy and sometimes that is only realized in hindsight. What seems like good policy today and seems to be to the most benifit of the world may come back to bite you in the back later on (ther are several examples of that). To the other members that have posted opinions on this topic that has gotten out of hand (my fault)I apologize and I do respect that you are human beings who have opinions. We all have opinions that to a great degree are reflective of where it is that we live. That is obvious by these posts and our geographic locations. Mark brings up good points about the policy and history in his area of the world. There is a lot of tension in the world and our posts are merely "wars of words". Despite that, it is good that we are able to communicate with people around the world and maybe with a little help from each other, we will start to come to terms on issues. If we can do that, we are doing better than our leaders are doing right now.

Very good mediating Johnathon

By hazel hernandez (Pacificpearl) (192.169.39.69) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 12:46 am:

No man is perfect. And i say no country, or leader is perfect either. Some would say Bush wages war against Iraq for its oil only, or for the American interests, or for the ghosts of September the 11th. But I fear for America, and thousands and millions of lives that will be caught in this God-awful stench that we call World War III.

I’m deeply grateful for the Americans regardless of what other Anti-Americans say, and not just because of Spam and Britney Spears. But their people, (soldiers such as the Easy) have shed blood for freedom and for a cause not many have appreciated (such as Vietnam), thinking(again) that it was for their own greater glory (and interests). After all, it wasn’t their war anyway. They just came to assist. The only war they have reason to fight for was the Bombing of Pearl Harbor. Other than that, Why should they drag their American asses halfway across the world to liberate Saipan, hold positions in Guadalcanal and other missions of unimportance to a soldier with a family of three children? They can just let these countries to rot and be an empire of some other nations for all they care. But they were there-when we needed them most.

In the event of this impending war against the Middle East, many of you may not like what I’m about to say. I do not like the Muslims as much as many of you here also don’t. I don’t like them not because they are different, not because they think we are pagans and worshipping the wrong deity. But I do not like the savage ones who shout "Allah hu akbar" and killing hundreds of innocent lives all for the name of Islam. (especially here in the provinces of Mindanao). But I know that not all Muslims are alike with their ways of thinking. Not all Muslims are barbarians, uneducated ignorant fools that will wage war for "Allah" or "Mohammed, peace be upon him". But they are still human beings. They deserve our respect. They are our brothers who have the right to live in this world.

How did this all started, I do not know, and maybe I was not even born that time. I’m not much fond of history but I can sense from your posts and your opinions here that maybe, just maybe, America has stepped on their toes, and maybe have gone a little too far, disrespecting their culture, blaspheming their mosques, infiltrating their minds with American ways that are not acceptable with their ways of living. Why not respect that? But no, somehow, someone has to take control of Iraqi oil and think that it should not be the Iraqis. Yes, we need the oil. The whole world needs the oil that abundantly flourishes only on the soils of a place called Iraq. But is oil worth the lives of not just American soldiers but Arabs, English, French, Soviets and all those who are going to be pitted for this cause that no one ever knew how and why it stared? or whose fault it was in the first place?

Hopefully, America will not strike Iraq or there will be hell to pay! And this is also to hope that Iraq or any Middle Eastern country will not do anything foolish to give the U.S. or the U.N. reasons for striking them hard, they do not know what hit them.

No one deserves to die an awful death. Not the ones who died in the Twin Towers on 9/11. Not the ones being killed for one nations' glory and wealth. It all has to stop somewhere. I just fear Nostradamus' prediction of the inevitable. But when that time comes, God be with us all. (InshAllah)

By Jonathan Jones (Jonjones) (81.135.120.54) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 05:12 pm:

I won't say much more on this thread as a new one appears to have started to deal with this, thorniest of issues.

Thankyou for your kind words, jwicks.

If one were to look worldwide, there is an ongoing struggle between fundamentalism/extremism and those who are more open minded/liberal in their attitudes. Please note that liberal is spelled with a small "l" folks. So what we have is those with closed minds (who believe that they already know best) and those who seek new knowledge in order to increase the sum of their own. However, to embrace the search for new knowledge, to accept that one may not be always right comes at a price, often a very dear one.

So, we have those who proffer that they have all the answers or those who openly admit that where we are is not the best that could ever be and are humble enough to admit it.

I don't know about other folks but I subscribe to the latter, irrespective of race, politics or religion. We work as a team, we win.

Bullets will never win a long lasting peace. Education of what is Just, will.

Regards, Jonathan.

By Timothy Andrew Ross (Ghosthunter) (24.71.223.140) on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 08:37 am:

It has been said that one time while hitler was at a museum in Germany after the WWI he was seen staring at the Spear of Destiny (the sword of Lucifer), he looked brainwashed and was chanting something, apparently he was becoming possed by the spirits. Soon he created the Nazi party which was a Satanic cult, this explains his reasons for killing and capturing the Jews in Germany.

By Anna4roe (Anna4roe) (70.228.2.64) on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 02:20 pm:

hmmmm... i never knew that hitler was artistic and actually married to a woman....

And i believe it's true too hazel hernandez

and has anyone read the things they carried?
it's a good book and i recommend it....

By peace and education for all (83.71.44.67) on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 08:36 am:

just a commentanna4roe.you agreed with hazel hernandez.well i think you may find it interesting to read about how israel was re established after wwII.the americans really messed up there.the palestinians were kicked off the land they have occupied for 3000 years.where was USA 3000 years ago??anyway educate youself on why the middle east is in crisis and you woulkdnt agree with hazel.a very small minority of muslims are fundamendalists or violent.i have friends of all religions including muslims and they have a wonderful way of life.they have faith.that is what is lacking in alot of christians(i am an irish catholic)maybe if everyone opened their minds and were more tolerant and respectful of others beliefs we would have some semblence of a peaceful world.oh and hazel,the christians basic belief is that if you dont believe Jesus is the Son of God you are indeed going to hell.that is the same as muslims and jews.im really disgusted by the level of ignorance and the strong opinions out of this ignorance.peace and love from ireland(we sorted out our problems here)

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