By Amy (63.145.62.99 - 63.145.62.99) on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 02:52 pm:| By Amy (63.145.62.99 - 63.145.62.99) on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 02:52 pm: |
This was an excellent episode. Great photography! It showed how much Winters was a leader, but then showed his "human" side. The regret he had for shooting the unarmed soldier probably still haunts him today. Tom Hanks did an incredible job directing.
| By Mark Felton (Spliffy) (62.30.0.2 - 62.30.0.2) on Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 10:25 am: |
Goddamit, what a place for this one to finish, just as theyre on there way to the Crossroads.
Got another whole week to wait now.
To anyone who reads these boards who was actually there...Total respect!!
| By JANE Southern England (Jane) (195.93.50.158) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 11:53 am: |
After much searching, I've been able to find out a little more about the 'rescue' of the 'Red Devils' (Episode 5-Crossroads & pages 158-159)....
Colonel David T. Dobie DSO was in command of the 1st Battalion, British 1st Airborne (Red Devils).
Their objective was Amsterdamseweg...after making promising initial progress, along it's lower road, as dawn rose, they came under fire from 3 directions & were completley pinned down...Col Dobie was on the front line, with a not too serious wound to his eye & arm (from an exploding grenade)..They took cover in some houses, but were captured shortly after.
Col. Dobie's time as a POW was short lived, as on the same day of capture, he was taken to the St. Elizabeth Hospital to have his wounds dressed. Luckily, his German guard was more interested in the nurse and Dobie was able to escape...He waited until night fall and was then able to contact the Dutch Resistance...Although all telephone lines had been cut (By the Germans), the line between Nijmegen (where Dobie was) and Ede (where the remaining battalion members were situated) had not been touched!, so the plan was 'hatched'...He swam (with difficulty) across the Rhine to make final arrangements (Radio contact had been virtually non existant!)
The plan was to get the British to an assembly point, near as possible to 'Point Digby'. The Dutch Resistance would start moving men towards this rendezvous a few days before the actual crossing, so all the men would be there in time.
And, as the crossing point was across from Easy Company's position, the actual rescue would become the responsibility of 1st Lieutenant Fredrick Heylinger...For several days before, 40mm guns would fire across the river (Lower Rhine), so that the Germans wouldnt suspect anything when the actual crossing took place.
The Resistance gathered the men in woods near a hotel called 'Nol in t' Bos',west of Renkum. At 2130, in a steady stream, they made their way slowly to point 'Digby', the last 200 meters by crawling as the point was situated between two German posts...At 0030 the British artillery started fireing East of Arnhem, the 'Red Devils' waited for the 'signal'...
Eventually, the signals of the 'hand held red torch light' were made...Lt Heylinger, Lt Welsh, Shames and 17 members of Easy Company had 23 canvas boats for the men to clamber into and make it back to the other side..
By 0130, the entire party had landed safely, and white tape lead the British Airborne troops to the HQ of the American battalion.
Operation 'Pegasus I' was a complete success!!!
Jane....(Southern England)
P.S. the 'Red Devils' got their nickname from German reports which spoke with admiration of 'those devils in red berets'!!!!
| By Chris Langlois (Chrisdfw) (12.239.86.117) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 02:04 pm: |
Thanks to Jane for the above info and the pics of Col. Dobie and map...
| By alan james o'reilly (Alanor) (62.254.64.5) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 03:50 pm: |
Hi Jane
I would like to add my sincere thanks for the information supplied - what is its source?
On the name 'Red Devils', an alternative explanation is that it stems from the closing stages of the Tunisian campaign in March 1943. 1st Para Brigade was holding a key sector called "Cork Wood" which was subjected to incessant German attack for about 10 days. The assault troops included elite German paratroops and panzer grenadiers. It rained most of the time and earth turned to red mud that plastered the men's uniforms - hence the designation "Red Devils". According to a veteran that I met in 1981, who supplied the above info., berets were turned inside out so that the maroon colour (probably faded to pink/orange in most cases under the N. African sun) would not show - for security reasons! I don't know if that would have fooled the Germans and elements of both explanations are probably true.
However, the action is described in some detail, compiled from 1st hand accounts in my book "Sound of Battle", which is being converted into a Word file. Progress is steady. (Those who have mailed me OL about this book, many thanks. I appreciate your patience and will let you know of availability asap.)
Best regards
Alan O'Reilly
N. Yorks.
| By Jane Lindholm (Jlindholm) (204.48.169.252) on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 01:39 am: |
Jane S.
Nice find! Adds to the series and extends Easy's story just a lil more.
Jane L.
PS: Nice chatting too, lets do it again.
| By JANE Southern England (Jane) (195.93.50.157) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 01:00 pm: |
Alan
Sorry that it's taken so long to get back to you regarding your earlier question -
I'd been to Aldershot to visit some of the museums there and picked up a few bits n pieces of information, plus there is a very good website that actually mentions Lieutenant Heyliger, but it takes a lot of digging!!
http://www.rememberseptember44.com
hope this helps a bit!!
Jane S (southern england)
| By alan james o'reilly (Alanor) (62.254.64.5) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 07:08 pm: |
Jane
Many thanks! Appreciate your digging!
Best regards
Alan O'R
| By Jane Lindholm (Jlindholm) (204.48.169.252) on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:21 am: |
Capt. Richard Winters [Damian Lewis] gives Capt. Lewis Nixon [Ron Livingston] a rather unpleasant ‘Good Morning’ [BOB, paperback, pg. 163]
Tab has a new friend
George Luz played by Rick Gomez
| By Jane Lindholm (Jlindholm) (204.48.169.252) on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:29 am: |
Donald G. Malarkey [Scott Grimes], Warren H. ‘Skip’ Muck [Richard Speight, Jr.] and Alex Penkala [Tim Matthews] man the mortars...[flashback scene]
Lt. Lewis Nixon [Ron Livingston] considers giving up his drinking or at least hiding his drinking
Winters ponders on this
| By Jane Lindholm (Jlindholm) (204.48.169.252) on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:34 am: |
Nixon and Moose Heyliger [Stephan McCole] take pleasure in harassing Winters
Nix assures Winters Easy is in good hands
Winters hears celebrating and knows E. Company had a successful mission
| By Angelo Miguel Nunes (Angelo) (194.65.100.8) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:56 am: |
This is probably one of the best episodes of a great series, I believe this was the one directed by Tom Hanks. In response do Amy`s message, you don`t have do feel sorry for Dick Winters, according to Mark Bando`s site, before Winters shooting the german, they threw hand grennades at each other, but Winters forgot to unwrap the tape around his pin, so it didn`t blow, when the SS threw his, Cpt Winters climbed the ditch and shot the german when we went for his gun. So, has you see, it wasn`t a "cold blooded shooting", but even if it was, you have to remember that is was war, and if you don`t kill your enemy, then probably you, or your friends will be killed.
| By Michael Wisotzkey (Afireinside) (24.171.111.186) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 05:56 pm: |
When Moose gets shot, and they take him to the aid truck. Theres a medic complaining about the morphine dosage.
Winters said "I didnt know"
The medic says "WELL YOU OUGHTA KNOW, YOU ARE GROWNUPS AND YOU SHOULD KNOW"
This medic= Eugene?
I couldnt tell. Eugene didnt seem so mad =in Episode 6.
| By cias (Cias) (208.148.113.174) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 06:58 pm: |
It seemed like Doc Roe to me.
I think I read a post somewhere that this scene
was being used as an intro to episode 6 being centered on Roe.
Gary
| By Jonathan Jones (Jonjones) (62.7.90.78) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:35 pm: |
I've checked the episode and it's Doc Roe.
Wild Bill has kindly written to me regarding the rescue of the Red Devils as members of my family were involved at Arnhem. Amongst the things he wrote about were his recollections of not only Red Devils being rescued but also members of the Dutch resistance.
Regards, Jonathan.
| By Marigold Papa (Marigold) (203.170.2.82) on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:42 am: |
Michael, yes it is our very own Doc Roe. 
gold
| By Amy Welsh (Jacobi) (203.54.7.210) on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 02:38 am: |
Damian Lewis is a God. While this series was showing on my Channel Nine, his work "The Forsyte Saga" was simultaniously being shown on my ABC channel. So I had DL twice a week. He was so good in Forsyte Saga that after hating him for 5 weeks for being such a mean character, I bawled my eyes out on episode 6 because I felt so sorry for him. The day after episode 6 of Forsyte Saga came this episode, which just reaffirmed for me what a great actor he is. Everything about his portrayal of Winters is entrancing. What makes it even better and heartbreaking for me is that what we see was real. This man is real and by God, I love him. I would follow him into any battle. Regards to Mr Lewis and Mr Winters. I wish them all the best in everything that they do.
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.127.96) on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 02:30 pm: |
Yes, Amy, I feel the same Damian Lewis is so believable as Winters and every way so lovable.
I too wondered can that man in that episode be Roe. He really seems so different than in episode 6.
Iines
| By stephen stallebrass (Drstallebrass) (62.253.32.5) on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 08:03 pm: |
Hi,
I'm new to this and have been lurking a while reading some of the posts and just shared some mail with some members (cockney rhyming slang & Normandy trip itinerary). But, I just got a username etc and thought I'd have a pop. Firstly what a great site, a remarkable development and transformation from what it started as originally. Well done to Tircuit and others.
Heres a little bit of Trivia as a warm up and particularly for anyone who hasn't found Tom Hank's cameo appearance as a British Paratrooper. Not read all the discussion pages yet so sorry to anyone if this is already been answered somewhere else (somewhere that I have not read yet). I saw the question somewhere and as far as I know it's not yet been answered.
Well its episode 5: The Crossroads. Just when the red devils commander gets up and toasts Moose and the 101st: "Moose Heyliger and the 101st have done the red devils a great service making it possible to return and fight the enemy another day".
Just after he says "... and the American 101st..." the camera angle changes showing a shot of the back of colonel Bodi and the other toasting commander: the Brigadier General, and the front of the celebrating crowd (I think a reverse shot).
Tom Hanks appears for literally only a second in the top left hand corner: he wears a red beret and stands with his hands on his hips. He turns to his left as he partially disappears behind an extra with no beret and a cigarette behind his right ear as they all say "yeah" agreeing with the toast being made.
Just happened to spot it whilst watching BoB on DVD again, (I just love it you pick up on things you didn't quite get the first time you saw it, just like the book may I add). If you have it on DVD then you can use slow motion and or pause to find him easily, it's at title elapsed time 30:32 (well it is on mine anyway).
Hope you find that this soothes your curiosity and frustration at not being able to find him. Good luck on your search.
steve stallebrass
| By cias (Cias) (208.148.113.80) on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 08:42 pm: |
Stephen
Welcome to our humble website. I am from West Virginia, same as Lipton and Sisk were. Where are you from?
About the Tom Hanks thing. One of our posters who is usually accurate placed Hanks' cameo in Ep. Four. He is in the lead tank entering Einhoven and just seen for a moment. Also, Babe Heffron is part of the crowd. I haven' t gone back to check Ep. 5 yet but this is a new entry in the where' s Tom deal.
Take care.
Gary
| By Ewa Molik (Layyla) (212.182.63.102) on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 08:31 am: |
hi all!
i feel i need to add my opinion about winters and most of all about Damian.i agree he is a god.without him the series wouuld be the same - just imagine not having him in this role!! i don't think anyone elso could do it in sucha n extraordinary way. he is one of my favourite characters of the series and surely ep.5 is too.
it shows what a great leader winters was and how amotionally conected to his peolple he was.it all can be seen in the look in his eyes pictured in the close-up and that look explains everything for me - why he was so respected and possibly admired by his soldiers. again it can be noticed in the 8th ep when he wants to run into the battle of foy (i think..) and he is being stopped. but his passion at that momant reveals how he is a true leader. adn a fantastic person at the same time
my true regards to major winters himself
layla
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.127.13) on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 03:48 pm: |
I agree Layla. I like Winters as soon as i saw him first time. I was always feared that he dies during episodes, and it's miracle that he didn't because he was so brave...did everything dangerous before his men.
The soldiers that had him as their leader were really lucky
Iines
| By Marigold Papa (Marigold) (203.160.183.79) on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 09:57 am: |
As the book said: Welsh and Winters believed the same thing, "officers go first". Amazing!!
gold
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.127.2) on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 03:54 pm: |
Yes, i think they had some angel that saved them, it's so unbelievable
Iines
| By Cesar Elias Sanjur III (Cesare) (200.46.128.91) on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 07:14 pm: |
Hello!
This, as the "Why We Fight" episode, is a deep one.
Winters gets "promoted" after Ollie Horton's death... but it is really a promotion? In "Points", when Maj. Gen. Elbridge Chapman (13th Airborne's CO) says "They took away your company" he was talking soldier to soldier: why remove an able and successful leader from his command? They both knew the answer: Winters was too popular, too successful and he stood out too much out of the ranks for some people at the regiment's staff. With Horton's death it was easier to put him behind a desk... curious thing is, in my life I once experienced that in one of my jobs.
The other things was Winter's flashbacks at the Paris Métro... I remembered my uncle's tales about his nightmares of the Pacific ETO (he was a U.S. Navy officer). He realised for the first time (at least in the series) that the enemy could have the face of a very young recruit (I bet that SS-Mann was barely 18)... and the cold and blind fury that can make a man took away the life of another man. They were kids killing kids.
Iines and Marigold are right about the officerdom: if you're not cut to lead you men into a hail of bullets and explosions you better apply for Supplies or Logistics. As Lesniewski said, "Some of them officers... I wouldn't follow them into the water". Regretfully, in all ages and armies one will find such kind of "chickens--t" officers (in one of my previous jobs I had a boss who was a mix of Sobel and Dike. It was a test to your emotional endurance, believe me).
Bye,
Cesare
| By Marigold Papa (Marigold) (203.160.183.79) on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 10:35 pm: |
I know what you mean Cesare, i had a boss who acted that way too and i must say, it left some scars in my heart, scars and hatred...
gold
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.127.24) on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 05:14 pm: |
Yes, i hated the decision to promote Winters. The easy-company men loved him, he was great leader and many easy-company men died because of that promotion when they got Dike.
My brother started army few days ago and he told me that his captain is almost like Sobel. I don't believe he's so bad but...poor brother anyway;)
Iines
| By Marigold Papa (Marigold) (203.160.183.79) on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 09:24 pm: |
Oh yuck! Lotsa luck to him Iines and tell him to hang tough
gold
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.127.168) on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 03:47 pm: |
What a coincidence, i just sent him yesterday message to hang tough
He hate my BoB madness but i won't stop teasing him with these phrases that i myself love;)
Currahee!!
Iines
| By Cesar Elias Sanjur III (Cesare) (200.46.128.91) on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 06:32 pm: |
Hello, Iines!
Why does your brother hates you interest in BoB?
Cesare
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.126.80) on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 04:17 pm: |
Cesare,
I think he's tired...i have BoB pictures in my walls, watch DVDs almost every night, i have Ambrose's book, and the final thing would be that i put on a Camp Toccoa T-shirt...it's just not normal at his opinion. He thinks i should be interested about pop stars or something...no way!!
Iines
| By Marigold Papa (Marigold) (203.160.183.79) on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 10:23 pm: |
LOL! Don't pay him any heed, you're alright with BoB! As we all are ;)
gold
| By Marigold Papa (Marigold) (203.160.183.79) on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 10:25 pm: |
LOL! Don't pay him any heed, you're alright with BoB! As we all are ;)
gold
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.127.143) on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 06:02 pm: |
Gold,
Don't worry, i won't listen him and his stupid opinions. We all know that BoB is definitely the best TV-series of ever, and i'm proud to be its big fan
Iines
| By Marigold Papa (Marigold) (203.160.183.79) on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 10:50 pm: |
Glad to hear i'm not alone Iines ;)
gold
| By yvette thomas (Bettyb) (194.117.133.182) on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 01:47 pm: |
I only let my closest mate know how mad i am about BoB, as she knows i'm a sad, lonely case with no real friends, i've taken to hiding Matthew Settle piccies all around the kitchen, so that the hubbie doesn't be finding them. I also drink lots of coffee, and to the hubbies knowledge, make frequent trips to the kitchen to clean up for no apparent reason
yeti-spaghetti
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.126.86) on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 03:12 pm: |
Yvette, be very careful with your husband, not nice if he finds out that you're in love with another man;)
Well, you have clever way to hide Matthews, i myself put Damians and other BoB photos to my wardrobe untill i gave up and filled my walls with them. Let the people say whatever, it's so nice to watch them before falling asleep
Iines
| By Cesar Elias Sanjur III (Cesare) (200.46.128.91) on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 08:37 pm: |
Hello, girls!
Well, to be honest, to hear you talking like that about the actors makes me remember those 60's films of the girls who were Beatles' fans :-)
Tell your brother from my part that any young girl with an interest in history and/or military history is worth her weight in gold! Sadly to recognize, but here in Panama almost all women of all ages are interested in everything except culture (that's by I fell in love with an Italian girl years ago: she was the only girl I could talk with about history, geography, politics, etc.). I'm not saying that you shouldn't attend a concert of U2 or something like that, but a well-read woman is a gits by herself.
Bye!
Cesare
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.127.157) on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 04:51 pm: |
Cesare, thanks for that, you just saved my day...i losted my key today and had to stand an our outside in rain (my other key i flushed down the toilet by accident with some papers some months ago) and now i feel myself the biggest jerk in the world;)
I could say the same about people in our school. I don't really know anybody of my age who's interested in history. At least not any girls. It's really shame, because i would like to talk about these things too
Iines
| By Marigold Papa (Marigold) (203.160.183.79) on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 10:46 pm: |
That's terrible news Iines, i hope you're okay.
I'm not such a history buff myself but i can say that changed a bit after i saw BoB ;)
gold
| By Iines (Iines) (195.197.127.130) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 03:42 pm: |
Gold, i'm okay, i just hope that nobody doesn't find that key and burgle to our house. It's improbable anyway because we got new snow today so the key is under it somewhere
I wasn't so interested about history either before, but when i saw BoB, my attitude towards it changed totally. Fantastic how can one series change so much
Iines
| By Marigold Papa (Marigold) (203.160.183.79) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 10:24 pm: |
Glad to know you're okay. I'm so grateful for BoB, the way it changed a lot of lives
gold
| By Li Bernardo (Hotaruanne) (66.185.84.80) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:00 pm: |
this episode/part of BoB has got to be my favourite from the entire mini-series...it was very interesting, tactics and just the drama of how everything unfolded....
| By Debbie (Dogpower) (165.21.154.10) on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:12 am: |
Yeah, BOB is very good for history... Makes it a whole lot less boring. A pity I'm now stuck with an incredibly monotonous history teacher who just stands there and elaborates off his powerpoint slides (I'm being mean, I know! ) and an even more boring history syllabus. Unless they don't include home history next year, I'm not taking the subject!!! *glares* I really'd much prefer to learn about something like WW1 and 2 or the Russian Revolution...
*simmers down* Why get so worked up over it? Oh, aaaargh. Wrong topic. -_____-;
| By Simone (Sirwen) (203.12.97.104) on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 05:37 am: |
Debbie, I know exactly what you mean, last year my class got to do topics such as the Cold War, WWII in Europe, Arab - Israeli Conflict, and French Revolution, but this year all we've done is Australian history from 1901 to now. I must admit there have been SOME highlights, with WWI, WWII *surprise surprise* but the rest is so bland and boring! Can't wait to start Modern History next year when we get to look at WWII at a great depth!
By the way... It's only too cool to be into history! That's how we broaden our minds. SO everyone who's into it - I literally salute you!:D
Simone
| By Michael Castro (Castromjc) (12.155.178.103) on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 09:20 pm: |
Hello everyone. First time posting although I have been lurking for the past couple of days reading all your very interesting tidbits re: BoB. Here's my question; during Crossroads, Winters and a squad assault a German machine gun postion and then fall back. However, come dawn they are still in the fall back positions, appear to be caught in the open, and Winters decides they better attack before the Germans figure out that they are vulnerable to a flanking manuever. Why didn't they just pull back to HQ the previous night? Why did they not move under the cover of darkness? What did I miss? The scene I am talking about immediately precedes the scene where Winters shoots the young SS soldier. Any thoughts? Thank you.
| By Jason Schamberger (Schammy) (12.217.220.25) on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 12:30 pm: |
My guess is that after attacking the machine gun position the Germans knew where Easy was which may have prevented them from pulling back to HQ, even under the cover of darkness...or...perhaps this event started just before dawn when it was still dark outside and the scene with Winters in the field could have been right after the sun came up. But, these are just my opinions, not really sure though.
| By John Nichols (Gordonfan24) (66.32.146.8) on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 04:14 pm: |
According to the book, Chap. 9 "The Island", when the patrol came back to the CP after running into a company of SS Troops and Alley being wounded, it was 0420. By the time Winters organized a patrol, moved south to find the SS company, scout the area, set up an attack, and fell back, this probably took another hour (complete "guess"timate on my part ). Then waiting on the balance of 1st platoon, figuring his attack plan, setting up positions, etc. this probably took him into the daylight hours. So, Jason was right. Basically, time just went by, and Winters felt he had no choice but to attack.
| By Michael Castro (Castromjc) (208.246.79.53) on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 11:51 am: |
Guys, thanks for the replies. It makes a lot more sense now. I havne't read the book in quite some time and am having trouble locating my copy, so I'm much obliged.
| By Marigold Papa (Marigold) (203.160.165.243) on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 11:16 pm: |
Welcome Michael. Uh oh, having trouble locating your copy? Not good. Good luck Michael and happy reading, you're going to love the book!
gold
| By Tim Ross (Ghosthunter) (24.71.223.140) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 09:35 am: |
I'm surprised that this was the only episode that featured Canadian troops. When it was aired in Canada the 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion gave their stories and they were always close the the American Airborne. If I am not mistaken one made refernce to Easy and how they declined our help. Can this be confirmed or am I sending smoke?